Are you OK with people pissing and crapping on the streets of your city? Are you OK with fatherless homes becoming the norm? It’s time to stop normalizing the abnormal.

Transcript

Will Loconto:

I'm Will Loconto, I'm here with my partner Cindy Bass. Today we're asking some simple questions: first, are you okay with people pissing and crapping on the streets of your city?

Cindy Bass:

Well, that would be a hell no. Because we have a crisis on our hands. A crisis of normalizing the abnormal,

Will:

The bare minimum responsibility of city government is to provide safe streets for taxpayers, businesses, and property owners. Allowing and enabling people to live on our streets is inhumane. And we need to hold our city leaders accountable.

Cindy:

Well, we pay taxes. The money has to go somewhere and they have responsibilities to keep our roads maintained. Part of this is to keep the city safe and clean. Yes. That's just a standard.

Will:

Well, and it should be the priority. It should be, the priority shouldn't be how to address a homeless issue. The priority should be keeping the streets safe for regular people, families, taxpayers, property owners, and the businesses that are in these neighborhoods.

Cindy:

It also is the drug use. When we were young, we'd go to clubs and stuff. People are walking around, you're going to different clubs. So that happens in your cities, but this is different. People are just everywhere. You and I went to Vegas. Vegas is like something like outer space when you go on the streets of Vegas and it's really sad. But when you step over someone that is completely, almost unconscious, needs to go to the hospital,

Will:

Half the time you don't know if they're alive.

Cindy:

Right. You don't. Actually, one time when I was with my kids, I stepped over a girl and I can still see her, and I literally wanted to cry because how could she get to that point that she was laying under the stop sign of a busy intersection while everybody was stepping over her like,

Will:

Well, and it's inhumane to leave her there

Cindy:

It is.

Will:

From the city standpoint.

Cindy:

It is. And we are going to talk about, and we always talk about children and how all of this affects children. So when your little ones or your grandkids are with you and you're walking by things like that, like a grown man, taking a crap on the city street and you have a child with you, they see it.

Will:

Right? And if everything smells like weed and piss the kids notice that.

Cindy:

They do.

Will:

And they probably don't even know what to think.

Cindy:

Yes. But what we're talking about is by them seeing it over and over, and as a parent or a grandparent taking them beside it and walking past it, you are conditioning them and you are normalizing this. You are making it okay.

Will:

And the fact that they leave people on the streets, fentanyl, totally unconscious, bent over whatever, crapping in the street, taking a piss, the fact that cities are literally lessening the penalty for public urination and public defecation, that to me sounds like we've given up. It's ridiculous. And the answer for some of that is not to be more lenient and it's not working. I mean, you go see tent cities

Cindy:

It's the demise of the city. And so we're seeing this here in Austin with the homeless, the encampments. They're destroying properties. They are polluting streams and waterways. The waters of the United States are getting pollution from these encampments, trash everywhere, disease, sickness. Honestly, it's just cruel to let it happen.

Will:

Well, and they don't have to make it illegal to be homeless, but they need to make it illegal to be doing drugs openly on the street. They need to be making it illegal to camp on the street, to put up a tent, but

Cindy:

They're camping on someone's property.

Will:

Well, a lot of the time it's public city property, but the city shouldn't be allowing that.

Cindy:

The city should push 'em out to the edge. And then when they get on private property, they should be removed from it and they need to go into some sort of shelters.

Will:

The answer for this problem is mandatory shelter for homeless people.

Cindy:

Mm-hmm.

Will:

Forced. If it needs to be forced.

Cindy:

Right.

Will:

Because in the interest of protecting the population that is not on drugs or mentally ill, you need mandatory drug treatment, mandatory treatment for mental illness, and mandatory shelter for homeless people. If there's a disciplinary problem at the shelter, then that needs to be against the law.

Cindy:

So someone might ask you Will, how are you going to pay for all that?

Will:

They're already paying for it.

Cindy:

How?

Will:

San Francisco has billions of dollars. Billions of dollars

Cindy:

That they're spending on homeless now?

Will:

On homeless. On the homeless. Yeah. Actually, I just saw a thing that said they spend over $87,000 a year per homeless person in San Francisco, and their solution is to have open air, safe use drug sites and act like that's saving a drug users life by giving them a safe place to use it. They act like that that's some humane thing. Enabling it is not humane. And the numbers do not play out that when they come to these sites that most or even a minimal number of them go to treatment. It's not even close to that.

Cindy:

I remember seeing in recent years, bathrooms at different places that I shopped had needle containers for drug addicts.

Will:

Right. And can you imagine being a business, your family business is somewhere where a homeless guy comes in to wash himself in the bathroom of your little restaurant or something that's not

Cindy:

Well, it's the reason why I can't go to the restroom at a lot of places. Recently, we were at a bridal shop and we were not allowed to use their restroom. They said they didn't have one, which is BS. They have one because they're using one. But they would not allow us to. And I find this is the reason.

Will:

Well, they had that whole thing with Starbucks about letting homeless people use their restrooms or not. And what the recipe for that ends up being, that the result consequence of that is probably that the restrooms are destroyed.

Cindy:

But by normalizing this behavior, that consequence to someone like me is I don't get to use a restroom because of street people that come in that damage restrooms and do things they're not supposed to in there. Therefore, I can't take my child or my grandchild or myself into a restroom because they're not going to allow you to use it. Which I don't blame them right now. I really don't. Because it would be scary to let people come off the street and use it because you can't deny someone unless it's a customer.

Will:

Well, some of them will say customer use only. You have to be a customer to use this restroom.

Cindy:

Well, I could say I was a customer. Define customer.

Will:

Well, I think that gives,

Cindy:

Say I had to buy something,

Will:

Well, right.

Cindy:

To be a customer?

Will:

But I think that that ends up at least just giving the business the right to tell somebody no.

Cindy:

Another one that really bothers me is the drag show thing. Just thinking about this the other day, again,

Will:

Normalizing, you mean?

Cindy:

Normalizing.

Will:

Normalizing something that is a fringe adult activity,

Cindy:

Which has been going on forever. And drag shows actually are so funny. They're comedians. They have an extraordinary talent to do makeup and become a character and entertain adults.

Will:

Well, what's interesting is comparing a drag show now today with, so back when I was touring with the band, and we would play sometimes in gay bars that would have drag shows. So I've been to several back then. Drag shows usually were people dressing up as Marilyn Monroe or Diana Ross and performing lip sync to something like that. There weren't men dressed as women wearing thongs rolling around on a stage showing you their private parts.

Cindy:

And they're not in the public library.

Will:

Oh, no, no. This was in specifically in

Cindy:

Oh, I know. But I mean now club. That's what I'm saying.

Will:

Now they want it to be out in the public for

Cindy:

And then can you imagine having a child that goes to school or goes to a library and sees this person? The child might actually enjoy the reading because of the animation and the makeup and how they act and stuff, because that's entertaining. But it gets taken too far. And then these little kids find out that that's a guy. And then there's this discussion that you have to have with a little bitty kid that has no knowledge of what's going on in the world. So these drag people that are reading the kids or these, for instance, that Sam guy that was on the Grammys, that yes, it's the Grammys. It is a show and it's entertainment

Will:

And they're all looking for something that's going to be talked about the next day.

Cindy:

Yeah. It's all marketing. It's all about money and streams and everything. But at the end of the day, they can push the boundaries. But to do it that way, somebody needs to say, Sam, who hurt you so badly that you would want to intentionally harm a child by viewing this. Why can't you with the most extraordinary voice that you have, because it is amazing. I have to say, I truly enjoy his voice. But what he did the other night just makes children because they're going to see it and it's going to be all over social media. And like you and I were talking earlier, this is conditioning. So just to see it on social media posted once, then the next time you open it, you see it again, or you see another shot or you see another video of it or more talk about it or every single platform is talking about it at once. The more you hear about it, the more you see it, the more you're conditioned to think, okay, it's normal.

Will:

Well right, and then it also takes advantage of the people that think, “I'm open-minded, so I'm going to take my kid to drag queen reading hour.”

Cindy:

You hear silence on my end right now.

Will:

Yeah, one of the driving forces behind this is the whole queering agenda. And that's one of the things that has happened to the gay pride movement.

Cindy:

Well, can you just explain what queering is?

Will:

It's, it's a good word to use for normalizing the abnormal. And basically queering is a fight against normal

Cindy:

For anything?

Will:

Yes, pretty much. But mostly it's for sexual gender identity, sexual mores, sexual beliefs. What's proper, what's not.

Cindy:

What's the queer community?

Will:

The queer community are defiant people that want to upset the normal, dismantle. So

Cindy:

I wonder why Beyonce given that speech the other night on the Grammy's, she won a milestone, a amount of awards. It meaning she's won it more times than anyone. And so on a milestone, as talented as she is in her small amount of seconds that she has to use on that stage, she wants to thank the queer community. I just don't even get it. I guess it's just how I am about platforms and grandstanding and using the stage. You're a musician. I'm not like, I've never been in a band. And you know what it's like being on a stage, but these people are using that. The reach that they have, they're affecting...

Will:

Well, and part of that is woke virtue signaling too. Her getting up there to supposedly be a champion for the "marginalized queer people."

Cindy:

So at the end of the day, this is all about money and

Will:

Yes. And I would say that the queer community probably loves flamboyant women artists.

Cindy:

Yeah, they do.

Will:

There's probably a good number of drag queens that are Beyonce.

Cindy:

Cher I think has probably the most.

Will:

Yes. Yeah.

Cindy:

I mean she talks about it all the time. And every drag show you have has Cher in it.

Will:

But it's interesting because talking about the queering leads me into the transgender gender identity phenomenon where "normal" people are transphobic or homophobic or xenophobic for not wanting immigrants to come in illegally. The idea with transgender biological men in women's sports or in locker rooms, that's trying to turn normal on its head. And it's dangerous. Taking the gender identity and trying to teach it and instill it in small children, the idea that there is a such thing as a trans child is ridiculous. I know you wanted to talk about the assigned at birth idea that your sex is assigned at birth.

Cindy:

Yeah, because I've been in a delivery myself and I've watched them, and the very first thing that you hear when a child is born is, "it's a boy." Well, I wonder how they know that.

Will:

They don't ask you. What do you want it to be?

Cindy:

Yeah, I'm sorry ma'am. What's your choice?

Will:

How should we list this?

Cindy:

What's your choice today?

Will:

Yeah, right. You don't get to pick non-binary for the baby that comes out.

Cindy:

I mean, it is the first thing that is said. It's a girl.

Will:

Yes.

Cindy:

it's a boy.

Will:

Yes.

Cindy:

It's that simple.

Will:

Every time.

Cindy:

Every time it is binary. It's male or female, it's boy or girl. As we were talking earlier, it's by observation first

Will:

Sex is observed. It's not assigned,

Cindy:

But they could do a simple little blood test and see a Y chromosome and it's a boy. It's just this simple.

Will:

Well, I just actually saw something today that was talking about 23 and me has changed their policy.

Cindy:

I haven't heard this

Will:

Person to, yeah, it's something that I just saw today. But the idea is that they've changed their policy to be more inclusive. When you go to get your DNA tested, you can tell them that you identify as non-binary or whatever, and they will accommodate you.

Cindy:

It's a bunch of hooey.

Will:

Which means they'll make shit up.

Cindy:

It's hooey.

Will:

It is.

Cindy:

But you know what? I also saw something when they dig up bones at a archeological site,

Will:

Oh yeah. It's male or female.

Cindy:

It's male or female binary. They're not looking at that saying no gender.

Will:

This might have been a non-binary caveman.

Cindy:

Ghost bones are this. No, it's a male or female.

Will:

Well, and one of the really bad consequences of this whole obfuscation is that masculinity and femininity are minimized now. And even demonized as whatever these characteristics are of masculinity or femininity. You don't want to acknowledge that any of that is actually a positive for society, which it is because men and women are different and complimentary. And that's how it's meant to be.

Cindy:

It is. There is hunter gatherers. I don't know.

Will:

And it doesn't mean that some people can't do certain things, but it means that there is a gender binary.

Cindy:

There is. Some women are stronger than others.

Will:

Right.

Cindy:

Some are more feminine than others. And you and I know we're not saying anything to marginalize gay people.

Will:

No. And I'm not condemning anybody.

Cindy:

No.

Will:

One of the crazy things that I can't stand is the overrepresentation forcing celebration and forcing promotion of some of this stuff. The LGBTQ+ population is 4%. It's 4%,

Cindy:

But you would think it's 50% by how they represent this.

Will:

If you watch, actually, even one of the Disney executives made a comment about that in one of those secret videos that they released that they wanted to have 50% representation in all of their characters. That's insane.

Cindy:

Didn't Disney just lose a, or they're laying off about 7,000 people.

Will:

And Disney+ lost a bunch of subscribers.

Cindy:

And you and me both love Disney more than most people. But I'm at the point where either you stick true to what Disney is and that is a wholesome family, Would you call that a network?

Will:

Yeah. The whole company should be still following the ideals of Walt Disney.

Cindy:

And let's just say that you are gay or whatever. I'm saying that still the messages should be the fox and the hound or a princess story or some kind of story in there that has a lesson learned. That's how you teach kids. And you do it at a basic, simple way where they get it. That is what we're teaching to the core of our children.

Will:

And my point on teaching the children is if the number is 4% for LGBTQ, you don't need to be teaching children that there's a chance they could be straight, a chance they could be gay, a chance they could be transgender. It just all is a fluid thing that just depends. That's an irresponsible, ridiculous...

Cindy:

You said before, don't make kids think it's a choice.

Will:

I can't even imagine what a kid would go through if you are trying to tell them that it's some sort of choice that they make as they get older.

Cindy:

Just think about these kids now growing up, when someone is introduced to them as "they/them," and you, I made you laugh earlier because I'm saying that if someone gets introduced as "they" do they have double vision?

Will:

How many people do you see?

Cindy:

Do you see two people? Is there two people in front of you? No, they're not a they. And who cares what your pronouns are. You have a name.

Will:

Pronouns aren't chosen.

Cindy:

Right.

Will:

Pronouns are objective.

Cindy:

At the end of the day. I can say...

Will:

A man's pronoun is he?

Cindy:

Yeah. But I can say that if there's any problems in this world like with bathrooms, I've always said, well, heck have separate bathrooms with a door that locks and have it say bathroom and sign.

Will:

Well, the only time it's became a problem is when everybody decided that they needed to make a

Cindy:

<laugh>

Will:

That everybody decided that they needed to make a point of letting a man in a woman's bathroom.

Cindy:

Yes. I mean, there's so many stories I'm reading.

Will:

Before that point a transvestite that was dressed as a woman would happily go into the women's restroom, go into the stall, close the door, and go to the bathroom and come back out. And nobody would ever know,

Cindy:

I don't know, in Texas or at least East Texas, they better go the right bathroom. I'm just saying I, I've had enough of it. I cannot allow men to stand up and pee

Will:

In a lady's restroom

Cindy:

In a lady's restroom. I just can't. Call the police.

Will:

I read a, somebody on Twitter actually was saying if a girl can see a grownup woman with her breasts and pubic hair, then they can get used to seeing a trans woman's penis. And I think that is never going to be normal.

Cindy:

The word woman cannot even be said with the word penis.

Will:

Women do not have a penis and they never will.

Cindy:

And I know that. Isn't it sad that we have to do episodes saying penis all the time?

Will:

Yes. Yeah. And

Cindy:

I've said it more in my entire life in the last,

Will:

And the idea that I need to say, that it's controversial for me to say that I like my women to have never had a penis

Cindy:

<laugh>.

Will:

The idea that that's controversial is so stupid.

Cindy:

I'm saying that you've even said that. It's freaking weird.

Will:

Well, let's move on from the gender stuff, because I wanted to talk a little bit about the normalizing changing language, to soften language, to make things more palatable and acceptable to people that, just as an example, changing the phrase illegal aliens to undocumented migrants.

Cindy:

Well, to me, they're just illegals, period.

Will:

Yeah. Well, they broke the law when they came in.

Cindy:

That's right. It's a crime. Yes. You know, and I were watching that show the other night watching, was it customs and border? Yes. Was that border patrol? And I made the comment of, look at how stringent they are with visas. And this young guy was on there saying that he wasn't doing drugs.

Will:

How strict they are at JFK airport.

Cindy:

They went after that kid so hard. And then there's some rule that says they can take their phone and go through their phone if they have a visa. Correct? Yes. And then they went through his phone and he's talking about all the different drugs that he's doing. And he got sent back and I made the comment to you is, well, why don't we send back everybody else that's at the Texas border.

Will:

Yeah. He should have just crossed the southern border.

Cindy:

Yeah.

Will:

Yeah.

Cindy:

You got on a plane and came the wrong way. Just get to the Texas border and you can slip over and you can bring all your drugs and guns and commit crimes and cause a burden to the whole country.

Will:

So one of the things with changing the language to undocumented migrant is designed to make it more acceptable.

Cindy:

Right.

Will:

Less harmful.

Cindy:

It's easier on the mind, I guess. They think

Will:

Well, right, because you...

Cindy:

more kind.

Will:

Well, they want you to be sympathetic to the migrants rather than noticing that they're committing a crime.

Cindy:

They're, they, whoever they are, they're teaching us to accept all kinds of things that are just absolutely wrong.

Will:

So calling a woman a birthing person or a pregnant person instead of a woman, or a bleeding person. Yeah. That's insane. It totally is insane.

Cindy:

I don't know what ad that was the other day where I saw a bunch of people that had white underwear on and had red spots. What was that? Did you see that?

Will:

No.

Cindy:

I'm glad you didn't see it because I haven't forgotten it. It was just saying that everybody bleeds.

Will:

Oh my God.

Cindy:

Yes. I'll have to find it and show it to you.

Will:

No, men don't have periods.

Cindy:

Well, I know that, but I'm just saying it, what in the heck is wrong with this world?

Will:

Well, it's again, more of the normalizing of the abnormal and still sticking with the language. So now we're supposed to call homeless people, unhoused. That's a more sympathetic term because they're having it done to them instead of being an active agent in maybe what caused the homelessness.

They don't want you to call a drug addict an addict anymore. They want to say someone with an addiction. Because again, victimizing people is the goal. Painting people as victims rather than as people with agency and responsibility is the goal. And changing the language is an insidious way to change society.

Cindy:

It's a very sad situation to be a child right now in America.

Will:

Yeah, and actually, that moves us into, I wanted to talk about education for this too, because here's a question: Is it okay to restructure the focus of learning based on tiny percentages of the population? And is it okay that we lower expectations for the kids?

Cindy:

Isn't that sad?

Will:

It is really sad. Eliminating grades, eliminating standardized tests, lowering standards for behavior and reducing disciplinary procedures. I mean, as a teacher, your limited time that you spent as a teacher, discipline in the classroom is essential to learning.

Cindy:

I did a small amount of time as a high school teacher, and I guess what I really want to say is I'm sad for most of the kids now because they don't have a chance. The confusion with everything, they're just confused. Parents really don't know what to do or how to get out of this. I mean, everything that we've just said is monumental. It's massive. There's so much of this going on in all different avenues. We're getting hit all the way around kids mainly is what I'm always talking about. Because this is the world that they grow up in. They're being formed into adults. They're being taught tools to survive or tools to thrive in the world. And this is what we're giving them.

Will:

Is it okay that we're essentially normalizing a fatherless home now?

Cindy:

It's not.

Will:

Because that's really what people have been doing is normalizing a fatherless home, normalizing alternative families.

Cindy:

The nuclear family is…

Will:

Optimal.

Cindy:

Optimal. And the nuclear family is mom, dad, and two kids. Family. Well, families are dysfunctional because there's no perfect families. No, we're not speaking here about perfect worlds. And we're not talking about every family having the perfect scenario, but we need to get back to fathers in the home. If you can't be in the home, you have got to be in their life constantly.

Will:

And modeling the nuclear family for children in schools isn't indoctrinating them.

Cindy:

No,

Will:

It's normal. That's how human beings exist.

Cindy:

What is a norm phobe? Norm phobe? <laugh>

Will:

Normaphobe.

Cindy:

Normaphobe. What's a normaphobe?

Will:

It's a funny term that somebody used to basically label people who have a fear of normal or a fear of standard societal beliefs and goals.

Cindy:

You're saying that a normaphobe doesn't want any norms, right?

Will:

Yeah. Queering would be done by normaphobes. An agenda to dismantle normalcy. And a lot of times, I think the agenda is there just for attention. I grew up as a defiant teenager, and I

Cindy:

<laugh>

Will:

dressed androgynously, wore makeup eyeliner and nail polish and was in a band. And I loved shocking people.

Cindy:

You did.

Will:

And I think there's an element of that in the queering, a defiant element in it. But at the same time, there are also things that are for the good of society,

Cindy:

But you honestly were just defiant, cocky. You had a little attitude. So it's not

Will:

No desire to dismantle anything.

Cindy:

Not to dismantle. And you would never want everyone to do what you were doing. You did it because of just who you are. I mean, I remember you.

Will:

No, I was, I'm suburban kid from a good family,

Cindy:

Went to private school.

Will:

Yeah.

Cindy:

And I think it's kind of neat that you can talk about this because these people that would think that we have nothing in common with them. We have a lot in common with them. But

Will:

What we, well, it's funny because people will call you churchy when you don't even go to church.

Cindy:

Right. I believe in God, but I don't go to church.

Will:

Yeah. I asked you when was the last time you were in a church other than a funeral or a wedding? And you don't know. That you can remember.

Cindy:

I can't remember. Anyway, <laugh> not a fellowship hanging out at a church person. And that's not being, that's, that sounds tacky, but just, that's just not me. And you were a guy that wore a fingernail polish and had purple hair and asymmetrical cut hair down to your butt with a jingle belt and wrap around boots and you'd walk right into the grocery store with me. And you didn't give a shit. People, look at...

Will:

No. I'm somebody who's been a worship leader at church

Cindy:

Has been? You are.

Will:

Yeah. Right.

Cindy:

Yes. And isn't that something? And here we are talking about this. And you know why?

Will:

Because we raise kids.

Cindy:

That's right. It's exactly right. And that's what we have in common. That's why we have a bond. We have the same goals and standards. And our mindsets are "what is good for the kids?"

Will:

And we mean everybody's kids. Everybody's kids. What's our vision for the world? For everybody's kids.

Cindy:

That's right. Because our kids, when we say our kids here on this podcast, we mean your kids. We mean everybody's kids. The good for all kids. Because me and you know what's good for kids.

Will:

And a lot of that we found out through trial and error.

Cindy:

But honestly, no. Some of that's a no.

Will:

You think it's just a moral, inside your body, in your mind, in your heart?

Cindy:

I think what's really sad, there's something that I find really sad: babies, little babies that are born, and I'm not even talking about gender or anything, nothing but purely a baby. When a baby's born, they deserve to be held and looked at and felt warm. And they get nourishment and love

Will:

And kept safe.

Cindy:

Kept safe. And they're guarded. You protect them. If you were outside and you had 'em in your arms and you heard a bunch of dogs barking and coming your way, you would grab your baby and hold it tight. Or you'd put it in it's carrier and get the heck out of there. Because those dogs are just like these crazy idiots in this country that are coming after our kids. They are going to harm your kids mentally. Not physically. They're mentally...

Will:

Some physically, but yes.

Cindy:

Yeah, well, some physically. But I'm saying that this is actual harm that's being done to children. And I'm not talking about a, most of the time when I'm talking, it's not about adults. Because once you're an adult, you are on your own and you better know right from wrong or what you will and won't take. And if you got a bunch of problems, either get 'em fixed or get on with yourself. But these children, your children or my children, everybody's children. We need to be thinking that all these are vicious dogs that are coming and we got to grab that baby and hold it and turn away from it and keep them away from our babies because this world is getting sick. Adults can just do whatever they want. But when you know as an adult that your words might be heard by a little one, can't you just be respectful? But if you're in a drag show in a city and people bought tickets to come in, they know what they're coming in to see. They know what to expect. They're there to have fun. They want to see the comedy and the drag. That's a different thing. But don't come into the public library.

Will:

No. And if you're going to be some weirdo waving a dildo around children, something's wrong with you.

Cindy:

You're a sicko. You're a sicko, and you are inflicting actual harm on children. And this has got to stop. It's got to stop. And some of this, these things are about the queering and the transgender, but some of this is about crime. Like you and I both are so alarmed by this that we want to talk about it a lot because

Will:

What are we accepting? What are we allowing? What are we by our silence enabling?

Cindy:

Yes. By our silence. Because that's what everyone's doing is they are just, it's not turn the cheek and it's not biblically tolerant. This is just basic. What would you say? Just basic…

Will:

Decency.

Cindy:

Decency. Be decent.

Will:

The priority should be the normal. Whatever that is. Normal is normal because people have made it that way. Standards are standards,

Cindy:

All these people that want definitions of everything. And

Will:

You don't need definitions for everything. My small children should never know what a drag queen, a porn star, or a drug addict is, even if I were one of them. That's just a fact. They should not know that. And pushing boundaries is part of life,

Cindy:

Right?

Will:

It is. I, I've pushed boundaries. You have <laugh>. And I didn't want to dismantle our society.

Cindy:

No. You know what? The neat thing about you after knowing you all these years is that you were that defiant. You were in a band, you were alternative. You wore eyeliner in a jingle belt, which my dad would probably pass out, smooth pass out if he, he'd seen you. And yet you've raised children. You have so much respect for everyone, and you have good, great, kind children, and you're a businessman and you're conservative.

Will:

Yes.

Cindy:

That was the biggest shocker, getting back together with you. My thought would be that you wouldn't be

Will:

Because of the band and stuff?

Cindy:

Because of the band, right. And all that stuff. But this is just the neat part of you. And people should listen to this because you have a really good perspective on life and how to handle yourself and how to handle children and handle business. Thank you. And it's very important to both of us.

Will:

Well, I just think celebrating the normal and hanging on to the normal is important. Tolerance and acceptance and compassion. That doesn't require celebration, promotion, and over-representation. Everything is not okay. And especially when we're talking about in front of kids or around kids or for kids or by kids, not everything is okay. Turning a blind eye to these things, it's dangerous.

Cindy:

It is dangerous.

Will:

That's about it for us. Join us on pushbacknation.com. We'd love to hear your thoughts on this crisis.

Cindy:

Yeah, join us in our conversation.

See ya.